Mark Drakeford says ‘transgender women are women’ in gender debate in sport


Wales First Minister Mark Drakeford has weighed in on the transgender debate and offered his stance when asked to define what a woman is. In a plenary session, which is a meeting of the whole Senedd, Conservative MS Laura Anne Jones posed a question regarding the participation of trans athletes in sport.

Mr Drakeford, the Welsh Labor leader, made it clear his ‘starting point’ was ‘transgender women are women’. “It’s a difficult area where people feel very strongly on a different side of an argument, and an argument that divides people who agree on most other things.” he said.

Ms Jones told the Prime Minister: “I feel the need to be clear, and I think it is important that I make it clear that protecting women’s rights does not mean for a moment that you are anti-trans rights. Female competitors deserve the same rights as male competitors.

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Marc Drakeford

“We all know the huge benefits sport can provide, and I’m sure we all want trans athletes to be able to participate in sport. But what we don’t want is a situation where we’re trying to to be so inclusive We have a situation where female athletes are so discouraged that they opt out of their own female categories because they say that trans women who compete in a female category have a male puberty advantage.

“I’m sure we’ll agree first and foremost that it’s paramount that we ensure fairness in sport. It’s fundamental to sport. Prime Minister, do you think trans athletes should compete in women’s sports on this question, in order to resolve it, it is fundamental that we can define a woman. So, Mr Prime Minister, can you do something that many other Labor politicians have failed to do until now, that is, to define a woman?”

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The Prime Minister replied: “My starting point is the same as Penny Mordaunt, the UK minister responsible at the time, who said the UK government’s starting point was that transgender women are women, and that’s is my starting point in this debate and, look, this is a difficult area where people feel very strongly on a different side of an argument, and an argument that divides people who agree on most other things.”

He continued: “What I say to the MP is this: that in such a potentially divisive issue, the responsibility of elected officials is not to rely on the certainties of their own convictions, but rather to work hard to seek solutions. opportunities for dialogue, finding ways to promote understanding rather than conflict, and showing respect rather than seeking exclusion.

“I don’t understand the MP’s argument that you can be too inclusive. I have no objection to her identifying them, but the way to resolve them is not to assume that because we ourselves may have strong opinions, it allows us to cast doubt on the sincerity of the opinions. strongly supported by others.

“It is only through dialogue and understanding that you can come to a conclusion on the type of issues the member has raised.”


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